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World War Now - In Discussion With Serious Young Men

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First of all, everyone must understand Nigel Farage is not one of us. He is not a nationalist. He's a capitalist, globalist, essentially a 19th century liberal. He's not even against immigration. So his position is very cleverly sold to the British public that this is the anti-immigration party. If you're sick of immigration, which millions of our people are now on a big scale, then you're going to vote for Nigel because he's against it as well. is not his position he says we want zero immigration and all the sheep will come out and clap but what he actually says if you listen slightly more carefully is we want net zero immigration and he says doesn't matter what color you are you can be English where you're from doesn't matter your parents Archbishop in the Pale of which the Eastern European banking class which came over and was heavily involved in British politics from Victorian days was virulently anti-Russian to the point that David Cameron our former Prime Minister well he's got a Scottish name and he's Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale World Economic Forum and he got Yuval Harari who's this Israeli homosexual but lots of the others there's Brits there's people with Irish names there's lots of Far Easterners there's some Hindu Indians all they have in common in the end is that their clique is the all-important thing to them.

They're there to worship mammon. At a certain point, it doesn't matter what religion or non-religion these people have. The thing they serve is fundamentally evil. The idea of a serious financial system is fundamentally evil. So we've had some wonderful demonstrations over the last 18 months, I would say, particularly the last year, where you've had the Irish tricola and the union flag side by side on the same demonstration against mass immigration. And that was absolutely unthinkable five years ago. And these are rough working class kids and people off a rough estate. Their fathers were killing each other. and now they're standing shoulder to shoulder against mass immigration and if there's anywhere in Europe where it's going to go bang in a big way and the indigenous will simply take back control and overwhelming dominance just by force it will be in Ireland both sides of the old community where you've had extremely fierce rioting in Dublin against the police and against immigrants I'm not saying it's a good thing it's a great shame but Ireland is on the point of exploding against the mass immigration

Welcome back to Ether Hour, everybody. I'm your host, Conrad Franz, joined, as always, by Dimitri Kalyan here with a fantastic guest, someone who I have followed on Twitter for many years, online in general for a long time before, of course, his account on Twitter was hacked. He has an incredible substack. Many people might know him as the former leader of the BMP and the UK former member of the European Parliament and now in general just a commentator on world affairs in general but we are joined by Nick Griffin. It is great to have him with us. We'll ask him to introduce himself in a second We're going to be discussing the UK election, everything going on in the EU these days, as well as, of course, the debacles in the Middle East, Russia, Ukraine, and elsewhere as empire continues to be challenged around the world. So we're going to be discussing all of that and more. So before we ask him to introduce himself, Dimitri, how are you doing?

Doing amazing, Conrad, of course. Mr. Griffin has been a follower of the show, a follower of our work for a long time, and he's one of the most consistent British politicians around these days, but very excited to be here today.

No, it's really an honor to have him join us. So I could yap forever, but Nick, thank you so much for joining us. How are you doing? And again, for anyone in our audience that may not be familiar with you, who might be a few of them, feel free to give us a brief bio.

Yeah, well, thank you, gents. Great to be with you. So yeah, name is Nick Griffin. I got involved in nationalist politics in 1974, before you lot were born. And I was first of all in the National Front, which at the time was Britain's primary racial nationalist organization. It was at one point Britain's third party. What we're going to talk about in terms of the British elections and the rise of Nigel Farage, this was sort of pressed by real nationalists over many, many years. But in those In those days, immigration only affected a few small areas of Britain. Therefore, the party was strong only in those areas. Later on, it joined the British National Party, was elected to lead it in 1999, and by 2001 turned an unelectable political joke into a political and electoral insurgency against the liberal elite, which went on for about 14 years. Every single election, whatever the main issue of the election was, there was a subtext.

The secondary issue in every election in that time was how are the British National Party doing and just how much of a threat are they? And again, we in the end were stopped by a combination of lawfare and the promotion of Nigel Farage, but we sort of opened up British politics. So everything's happening now wouldn't have happened had it not been for the, in the end, abortive electoral insurgency of the British National Party.

No, it really is. If you look through the electoral history, I mean, I encourage everyone watching this, even just go to the Wikipedia history of the BNP. And it's really incredible to see at that time in the early 2000s, especially from an American perspective, that was sort of the height of consensus for us against, you know, the of these sort of third rail issues and whatnot. So to see it succeeding, it sort of shows you how America and the UK are sort of off kilter on these issues in some capacity, culturally speaking, but really is incredible. And of course, no third party, no nationalist party has been able to really achieve that success. and for those that aren't aware of course the UK had their recent local elections huge huge swing one of the greatest I guess shifts in politics party related I guess in the UK which despite having a parliamentary system has really been a very two party dominant dominated system for a very long time.

And for those that don't know, I believe it's 1400 plus seats were won by reform, major loss for labor as well as losses for the Tories who are now at like 800 seats total or something nationally speaking. We of course saw the Lib Dems do a little bit better we saw local Scottish and Welsh parties do okay in certain areas and what not obviously up there but the big news of course is reform and we'll ask about Restore and Richard Lowe Rupert Lowe perhaps in a second but just before we get into that kind of asterisk what is your reaction to this performance by Farage obviously here on the show we have obviously we supported Brexit back in the day all of these issues that were these sorts of things but Nigel Farage is obviously I've met so many authentic British nationalists that I could never call myself a Nigel Farage supporter so I guess what is your reaction to this recent election Mr. Griffin and where do you think this points to for the future of the UK well

First of all, everyone must understand Nigel Farage is not one of us. He is not a nationalist. He's a capitalist, capitalist, globalist, essentially a 19th century liberal. He's not even against immigration. So his position is very cleverly sold to the British public that this is the anti-immigration party. If you're sick of immigration, which millions of our people are now on a big scale, then you're going to vote for Nigel because he's against it as well. is not his position. He says, we want zero immigration and all the sheep will come out and clap. But what he actually says, if you listen slightly more carefully, is we want net zero immigration. and he says, doesn't matter what color you are, you can be English. Where you're from, doesn't matter, your parents, doesn't matter, you can be English as long as you're loyal to us and the flag. It's all this propositional nonsense stuff. So his net zero position is that for every Brit who emigrates, last year there was nearly half a million emigrated out of a population of native Brits, say 50, 50, 55 million.

So half a million left, another half a million died, with probably only about half of those being replaced by our people in terms of births. So that's a gap of 750,000. And Nigel's position, therefore, to keep the capitalist system going, you bring in 750,000 Hindus. Doesn't want Muslims because his Zionist backers don't want too many Muslims. So that's his position. So he's a fake, essentially. But the wonderful thing is, regardless of the fact that he wouldn't do what the people hope, is at least they finally, on a Megascale, broken the habit of voting for the old parties or to an extent just sitting back and watching. And we've had this election just gone. We've seen things in Labour's heartland areas. These are areas where they used to say that you don't count the Labour vote, you weigh it. Yeah, that's the staggering scale of it. Areas when I was a young activist, if you were in those areas, almost every single house had a Labour poster in its window or in its front garden at election time.

And they went from that in this election just gone to having zero councillors in council after council after council. They were simply obliterated. It's an absolutely staggering thing The Labour Party's woes are added to the fact This is the tribalisation of Britain Happening before our very eyes And in the white areas People are moving to a party Or the parties which they think Are their tribal party The fact they're not, in a way, doesn't really matter in terms of what this shows of how the British public feel. On the other side of the Labour Party's support, they've effectively replaced their old loyalty to the white working class by importing vast numbers of immigrants. And those vast numbers of immigrants, also in this election, the general, just the multicultural areas, voted for the Greens, who are run by literally a Jewish con man, with all sorts of dodgy things in his closet. But a fairly anti-Zionist made some justifiable and decent criticism of the Israeli Defense Force and so on.

But basically, they got the vote from the students, from immigrants generally, but they've taken a huge swathe off the Labour Party on its left at the same time as reform was taking votes and people from the right. And then further tribalization in the Muslim areas, some of them have voted Greens, but the majority of them have voted for Muslim independents. Some of them are even called Gaza independents. Basically, they're not voting about who's emptying the bins and when the bins are going to be emptied, the usual local council stuff. They're voting specifically on the one issue that matters to Muslims, and that is what's been happening in Gaza. So this is not just the Labour Party losing its support. As he mentioned, the Conservatives took a terrible hammering at the hands of reform and to a lesser extent on their left, the Lib Dems. But this is basically the tribalization of British politics.

And Mr. Griffin it does appear that obviously as you said correctly a few moments ago the domestic issue in the UK primarily just centered around the popularization of and finally the media attention the issue is getting the Pakistani the gangs the stabbings. It's receiving a lot of attention from figures like, well, I'm not sure about your views of Mr. Yaxley Lennon, Tommy Robinson, and figures like Elon Musk online, but these people are, with millions of followers, are putting the spotlight on specific issues. Could you maybe comment on, maybe... Mr. Robinson himself his involvement he has for whatever reason maybe for good or for ill has held the spotlight in British politics for a little while despite not being a parliamentary member himself but it does appear that domestically speaking at least it has been probably the leading cause that has swayed a lot of the British voters towards reform UK rather than any other party.

It seems like domestically people are realising the crime needs to stop and people like Elon Musk and Yaxley-Lennon Robinson are pretty much at the helm of that.

Yeah, I think the absolute core factor, apart from the fact that people have finally reached the end of their tether, with especially the violence of recently arrived immigrants and the lie after lie after lie that the police and the media and the political class say to try and keep it all a little bit calm. Everything they say makes it even worse. But the biggest factor in the growth of the reform vote, I believe, is the creation of GB News, which is a thing as slick as the BBC as any other mainstream terrestrial news channels funded by a billionaire hedge fund operative who got his start in business for the £50 million loan from George Soros. Started off as a liberal and he's now basically running this far-right news operation which pretty much all ordinary Britons are giving up watching the lives of the BBC Sea and watch GB News instead. So that's what it's really all about. And Tommy Robinson, he's only one part of a broad spectrum of a totally Zionist-run operation to use the old injustices of especially the grooming gangs and current fears about the fact that they're becoming a minority to wind the British people up into a fighting mad frenzy and he's very they all work very hard to say oh you know black people like Kimmy Badenock and so on they're absolutely fine you know and the Hindus are wonderful of course the Jews are absolutely fantastic it's only a problem with Islam that we've got and they push this really hard it's a multi-million pound business which started with Tommy Robinson so you're right Dmitry he's a sort of figurehead of it he started in about 2010 with the English Defence League and 2012 I produced a book it's still available a booklet online called What Lies Behind the English Defence League and it was a detailed account of how the whole EDL thing was funded created from the very beginning they didn't even pick up Tommy Robinson once he was already running they created it from the beginning a team ultra zionist ultra neocon working in effect out of Dick Cheney's office with his main gopher, Frank Gaffney.

And they created this thing with a specific purpose of pushing the British towards hatred of Muslims. And in the end, now they're pushing for a civil war. They're not doing this because they think we need a civil war to save Britain. They're doing this because they want us fighting mad. Because when they had the Iraq War, they found in their horror that you had the vast majority of the middle classes wouldn't Nick Griffin Griffin to get the British wound up enough to do what they want. And nothing has changed other than the fact that this has now spread from their initial operation, which was really just Tommy and the people around him. It's now an enormous swathe through from crazed neo-Nazi cranks on one side through the Tommy Robinsons right the way to GB News, which is a news station which last year lost 43 million pounds It's subsidized by various financiers because it gives them an enormous amount of power over British politics.

And one of the things that happened on May the 7th was really the first sign of that power coming to fruition.

No it's completely true that the media environment is one of the most important factors to shaping this thing because people are now kind of underestimating still how much just lack of censorship on Twitter, the lack of restrictions now even on certain topics on YouTube. is having an effect on this conversation and why is that happening? Why is that being allowed to occur? Why is this being directed in a certain way? These are the questions I think that people need to be asking, but Tommy Robinson and the EDL, very good transition. Speaking of other quote unquote insurgent parties, Parties. We have Rupert Lowe, who now I guess is elected as the Greater Yarbrough Member of Parliament for their little group of 10 councillors where they won locally there for what will eventually become a Restore Britain attempt at running national candidates. So Rupert Lowe He used to be with Nigel Farage in Reform.

He basically was to the right of him and got kicked out of the party and is now forming his own thing for anyone that isn't aware of this background. But I remember when he launched the new party, he had some interesting dog whistles in there against the kosher Slaughter some very interesting you know comments that you know had some people like okay maybe this is this is interesting and I'm not as on the ground when it comes to English nationalism and these sorts of things so what is your perspective Mr. Griffin on Rupert Lowe on this Restore Britain project obviously there's suspicions that these people are generally also kind of Zionists but they seem to at least be hinting that they're not going to be as Zionist as reform so I'm curious your perspective on this new party

Yeah, there's a lot to talk about. Just before I do, there was one thing you mentioned of the reduction of censorship on X. Yes and no. So Tommy and his people in this vast swathe, the algorithms are all fixed so that they get enormous reach. I am nailed to the floor and my old account was hacked and they wouldn't give it back I'm there still theoretically but absolutely nailed to the floor and for that matter anyone who is a serious in Britain certainly anyone who's a serious radical genuine nationalist a genuine ethno-nationalist who also gets the Zionist issue then Twitter is not free for us in the slightest the idea it's a free platform again it's another fake so on Rupert Lowe He's by origin another financial shark. That's why he made his money and so on. So he's just there for the capitalist system. So straight away, I'm not particularly inclined to be favorable. He did indeed say there's an interesting dog whistle.

He was challenged by someone obviously from the further right. Well, you're talking about banning halal slaughter, the Muslim ritual slaughter. What about kosher ritual slaughter? and the expectation was he would fudge and duck and dive and he just came out and said, I'll ban that as well. So he's clearly positioning himself or being positioned to take the ground which is to the right of Farage So on that side, that's a plus On the negative side, he's had several tweets where he said, absolutely, we must stand 100% with Israel Galenical Israel, our only ally in the Middle East, all the rest of it So there's mixed messages there, just as he's also giving out mixed messages on the immigration thing So, for months now, he's been saying, I've had it now with all this, I don't care how many have to go, we're going to deport millions. And the people who are concerned about our becoming minority in our own homeland are saying, well, thank God, someone's going to try and do it.

But then, just yesterday, there was a youngish lady who was due to speak, they were launching their Restore Youth Organization in York in the north of England at the weekend. And she'd been invited to speak. Saskia, she writes on Twitter and so on as. And she puts out some very good stuff. And she also comments on the Zionist issue as well as the softer nationalist ones. So it looks pretty good. Quite an attractive girl. She was due to speak there. And at the last minute, they disinvited her because she put out a tweet showing a picture of Rupert Lowe with his newly elected local council candidates. saying, politics as it should be, British, proud, and white. And someone in Rupert Lowe's organization, and really there is no organization except Rupert Lowe. It's absolutely a one-man band, even more than Farage's operation. They disinvited her. So mixed messages there. So my personal position is that on balance, the British National Party gave the elite...

in general, and the Zionists in particular, such an enormous fright that they made it absolutely their number one business to take us down and then to make sure that nothing could ever arise in its place. And they are well aware that Nigel Farage, even if he gets elected in the next general election, which is probably in 2029, it might be before, but even if he gets elected even if he comes to power he will then let people down the people who thought they were voting for an anti-immigration party will find that there's a new flood of Hindus coming in and taking their jobs so because he's going to let people down that would immediately open up the floor for a party a revival of a party like the British National Party so when you know that's going to happen why on earth wouldn't you position to make sure that that goes nowhere and it's dissipated. So I think that's what's going on. Having said which, Lowe and his people, he stood, although he's formed this Restore Party, in Great Yarmouth, which is the parliamentary constituency, the elections you're talking about are local elections.

He was elected for the parliamentary constituency of Great Yarmouth for the Westminster Parliament 18 months ago now. As a reform candidate, then he broke away from reform and became Restore. But his local people stood in Great Yarmouth as Great Yarmouth first, so playing a community politics game. and reform stood against them. And no one actually knew who was going to win other than an ex-colleague of mine from the British National Party went along and spent a day canvassing. And he came back and said, I've never had anything like it. And the whole day knocking doors, there was not one single negative response. So that did suggest they were going to do well. And indeed, in these 10 council seats, restore one, every single one of them by a huge majority. And in nine out of the 10, The second party was Reform So the two parties which in the eyes of the public are against immigration took between them over 65% of the vote against the governing parties and all the other possibilities local independence and so on So it was a staggering result What it shows that Restore didn't stand anywhere else Now Rupert Lowe is saying we're going to stand in 2029 and we're going to win the election Now this is ridiculous Nick Griffin and the public over the next year, the Labour Party especially, is going to be hysterical about Nigel Farage and reform with the result that the public will become even more aware of the fact that if you really hate the Labour Party, you must vote reform.

So the only thing that Restore could possibly do is split the vote. If they get above 5%, 6%, there will be scores of seats which reform don't win, which instead go to the Labour Party or the Greens. They go basically to the coalition of chaos which would be put together by the Labour Party, the Greens and the Islamists and the Scottish National Party who are Marxists So the most that Rupert Lowe could do actually is to split the vote in an absolute disaster More likely in local elections in Britain people vote to make a protest When you're voting in a general election, you're voting for who is going to govern the country for the next five years. And it will come down as a simple choice. Are you going to vote for reform and Nigel Farage, or you're going to get a Labour-led coalition of Marxist chaos? What are you going to do? and even people who would like to vote Restore, and I know this exactly because this used to happen to the National Front in the 70s.

You'd have huge numbers of people coming up to you in the streets as a young activist saying, I'd love to vote for you. Everything you say is right, but I've got to vote Conservative because Maggie Thatcher is at least going to get a grip on immigration a bit. And anyway, you're not going to win. So if I vote for you, we're going to get a Labour government. And the same squeeze will come in on Rupert Lowe and Restore. There's no possibility. of the winning that election. It's terrible. And what's particularly terrible, there's two things. First, as I said, all they might do is to split the vote. And although Farage is very far from perfect, he's nothing like as bad as the other side who are going to get in. The other thing is the time it's wasting and the energy it's wasting. Because what Lowe should do, the president has got 120,000 members in Britain. It's equivalent, I suppose, in the United States of, what, half a million, roughly speaking?

It's a mass movement. It really is. And if Lowe was to say, and I pointed this out on Substack repeatedly, I don't know, people have taken it to him and said, this is what you should do. If Lowe was to say, we're not going to win until after reform got elected and let people down. and what we've got to do now is to build the community base and go to the millions of white working class Brits who aren't even on the electoral register which is a huge thing here we've got to spend the next three years mobilizing there we've got to spend the next three years building local community patrols building local community centers all sorts of things for our people and on the basis of that After the next election, if Farage wins, then Rupert Lowe could indeed become a really serious force in British politics for the good. And I'm telling nationalists now, get involved. Because actually, don't worry, is Rupert Lowe a bit Zionist or a bit less Zionist?

It doesn't matter. He's not going to come to power. And in any case, Britain is now, it's not even a second-rate military power. We're a third or fourth-rate military power. What the British government says about the Middle East is utterly irrelevant. Nick Griffin there's no organization if people turn up somewhere they can just get on with doing whatever they want locally so I'm saying to people just use the thing as a giant pond to go and get new recruits from and then rather than waiting for Rupert Lowe to give you permission to do something Just go ahead and do things such as, for instance, setting up a local minicab firm. If you're in an area where there's been grooming and so on, the white population are sick of giving their money to these people. They know that their girls and their women are potentially at risk in those cars. So set up white minicab firms. And Rupert Lowe has got, in membership alone at present, he's getting in nearly $3 million a year.

So he's got the money to do really good things if he would only simply say, yeah, we're going to become a powerful force, but not in the next general election. If he does that, he can become a towering figure in the future politics of the British people. If he doesn't do it, he'll be a footnote of an appalling time-wasting failure. Time will tell.

And just while we're speaking on the subject of Albion's domestic politics, Mr. Griffin, there's been a few major changes, obviously, to the British system recently, one of which may not be as consequential, perhaps you could tell us. Yeah, yeah. and the Pale Yeah, yeah. what would be you say the cultural consequences of that I understand it's probably most likely they were removed due to obviously liberalization tendencies and there was no good reason for it however I mean the positions of these lords these earls viscounts barons marquis I mean in some extent Mr. Griffin you can also comment on the fact that we're The British Empire, it was one of the nations that survived World War I without a Marxist revolution, without a hyper-liberalization and a egalitarianization of society. So in fact, you have preserved some of those ancient, so to speak, Anglo-Saxon, even pre-Anglo-Saxon traditions, and now it seems like they are being eroded.

So it's sort of a very deep question about English identity and sort of, yeah.

Yeah, the lords, and actually you could extend from the lords right up to the monarchy. it's essentially part of the same thing and the tradition of the witter and the sort of the wise men who advised the king and of kingship of course goes back it's an Anglo-Saxon unbroken Anglo-Saxon tradition because even the kings that come afterwards even after 1066 and the Norman Conquest they still could trace their ancestry back past that to the old English line but in the end as an English nationalist my innate gut position tends to be well these were never ours anyway These were Norman bastards who were here to lose our country and screw us over for centuries. And nothing has really changed other than the fact that in the last couple of hundred years, they increasingly mixed with Jewish immigrants. So we end up with a primarily Anglo-Norman elite, but with a little bit of East European Jewish incomers as well.

Certainly not the Anglo-Saxons, certainly not the Celts, not us. Having said that, there's no doubt that there was the noblesse oblige, the idea that being born to high status, you're there to serve and all the rest of it. That was genuinely there amongst the elements of the old aristocracy. Most of that died, you mentioned the First World War. We just avoided a Marxist revolution at the end of the First World War, but most of our best blood was spilt in it. On the first day of the Battle of Song, 1916, we suffered more casualties than America did in the whole of Vietnam. So it was a catastrophic bloodletting, and the younger sons of the aristocracy paid a very, very heavy price for that. But nevertheless, the lords kept on going. We did have people who went along and they sat in the House of Lords. They're quite well paid to do so. So, to be fair, but they sat there and because they came from a hereditary, rather traditionalist point of view, they weren't there to represent a party.

It was actually a very good counterbalance to the elected House of Commons. It was indeed, even when it was gradually reduced in its power, it was still a very good revising chamber and independent of politics to a degree. It's become more and more political. The removal of the last 90 in a way doesn't make a difference because some of them were Tories anyway, some of them were Labour, some of them were Lib Dems by natural instinct, but all of them were outweighed by the life Piers who were appointed in blocks by the government at the time. So this is just the last getting rid of the old House of Lords as an independent revision body. In theory, it hasn't been like that for a long, long time. So it's a more symbolic change and a deeply symbolic change that it is actually a big political change. Every single one of the laws which between them have ruined this country and brought our people to a point where we're now inevitably on the path to being at least for a while a minority in our own country.

Every single one of those laws was approved by the House of Lords as well as the House of Commons. So it did some good work, but overall it's still part of an overall rotten system.

Now I remember all of a sudden you started suddenly seeing some of these hereditary lords with the most crazy progressive you know lines from the from the and I hadn't seen that even before even like 10 years ago paying attention to British politics so very very interesting development but you know you know everything everything falls apart unfortunately but before we maybe move on to continental Europe and the EU itself of which you used to be a member of parliament we want to stay I'll stay domestic for a second Nick what is of course we're Orthodox Christians on the show we've exchanged messages in the past about our faith and our interest in church history and these other sorts of things. I'm wondering, you know, recently the Church of England, they have their first female Archbishop of Canterbury. Of course, in the religious situation in the UK in general, obviously in the West we've been experiencing mass secularization.

However, Orthodox Christianity is growing in the UK. I know a lot of friends that have converted into many, many Orthodox communities are actually buying old churches that the Anglican Church of England is trying to sell and preserving the relics and these very important, it's crazy. I have friends that lead and I know priests that lead pilgrimages to relics of ancient saints, you know, pre-schism saints, and it's more, and there's more Romanians that are interested in going on these pilgrimages than some native Englishmen. Nick Griffin

Well, you mentioned the female Archbishop of Canterbury. I have to say, this is a female who thinks she's the Archbishop of Canterbury. And in any normal society, if someone thinks he's Napoleon, he's gently taken away and locked up somewhere safe. And of course, she's not the Archbishop of Canterbury. because a woman cannot hold authority over a man. End of. It's very, very clear. But that's the Anglican Church. It pains me because I, like you, was brought up an Anglican. I went to a school where we still had an Anglican I'll see you soon for the Church of England. So they sold it to the Orthodox. It was 50 pounds sterling back in the late 1960s, mainly Greeks in those days. And it's a gorgeous little place. It's actually, there's been archaeological excavations around it, and they found that this early medieval church was obviously built on an earlier, a Saxony-era church, which was built in a Neolithic circle.

So it's been a place of worship for the indigenous peoples of these lands for at least 4,000 years. it's a wonderful place but the Anglican Church is well the ones who aren't crazed feminists are either Marxists or homosexuals there's very few normal people in the Anglican Church it's as dead as a doornail it's just going to be dead and buried if we end up with a far left government after the next general election which as I was saying before is a distinct possibility for all the unpopularity of the Labour Party then I think one of the first things they will do is disestablish Church of England. That means no funding, which means it then basically collapses. I guess they turn the great cathedrals into, in effect, museums and carry on supporting them as tourist attractions. The rest will just die. In the meantime, we've got undoubtedly a Christian revival going on in this country, which is split between the evangelicals, a lot of them women, any young English lads wondering where to find yourself a woman, go to an evangelical church, join the choir, Find the right girl with nice big wide childbearing hips and get the hell out of there and get her either to a Calvinist church, a proper church, get her to a Latin mass Catholic church or get her to an Orthodox church and the job is done.

So the evangelicals are very big. but mainly women. The Catholic Church is riven and full of, especially from the old Irish communities, they turn viciously against it, primarily over what they call the paedophile scandals. They weren't paedophile scandals, name it. These were homosexual. Scandals. And it's done the Vatican side of the church enormous damage. But the traditional, the Pope Pius, the 10th people like this are strong and vibrant and growing with a lot of young men. And then there's the Orthodox Church, which again is growing at a really quite a rapid rate. I'm fairly sure across swathes of Western Europe, particularly in Britain, if the Russians wanted Nick Griffin and probably rightly fear that Britain is so polluted with so much liberalism in so many places that if you had a powerful Orthodox Church, it'd be a route into Orthodoxy for the LGBT stuff and all the rest of this poison.

So I'm probably fairly wary of Britain and sad to say I think with some justification. But it is great to see all the traditionalist churches growing and the Liberal ones fading away. And it's something which I think is only just beginning. When I was on trial in Leeds Crown Court for talking about the grooming scandal, so this was in 2007, I received a bundle of mail like this every single day when I went to court the court usher bought me this mail mail from all over the world a lot of it just addressed to Nick Griffin Leeds Crown Court England and it was coming through and someone I don't even know who just anonymously sent me this wooden cross plain wooden cross Protestant star cross about that big and I took it out and I held that we had a big crowd of several hundred people there supporting me and so on and we prayed and it was really the first time when Christianity had been connected to nationalism in Britain pretty much ever because the National Front used to be a bit on the pagan side.

Mosley paid lip service to Christianity but wasn't the least bit interested. This was the first time the two had been connected but that time 2007 that was people looked what on earth is this people took to it our people took to it very quickly we took to singing Jerusalem a wonderful hymn at all our party events and so on they took to it but it was still completely cut off it was a little bit of the British National Party's own it wasn't exactly a sect but it was its own sort of thing and it wasn't connected now the gut feeding Christianity had grown so strong even Tommy Robinson has moved from being an LGBT, basically atheist scumbag, to pressing the buttons of Christianity, even though the people, of course, who support him and fund him absolutely hate Christ in particular and Christianity in general. So that's simply showing they know which way the wind is blowing. There's this immense, it's partly as a response to the perceived Islamist threat Yeah, they're Muslims, we must be Christians.

It's partly a response from the atheist side, which is even more dangerous than Islam, to the LGBT and stuff like that. Again, all this modernist progressive poison, what's your answer to it? Well, the answer logically for most people is to go back to the faith of our forefathers.

No, of course. And I think unfortunately, Mr. Griffin, there may be some pushback against, for example, the rise of orthodoxy through the politicization of the British elite. Specifically, I mentioned this in relation to Ukraine and the United Kingdom's foreign policy. is one of the premier supporters of the Ukrainian state run by Zelensky. Most of our listeners are across this already, but out of all the other NATO countries, it is literally up there. It's literally the spear tip. It's very interesting how you've Yeah, sure. Yeah. Yeah. and potentially shutting down the Orthodox Church. I do have these maybe long-term fears of potentially creating an animosity against Orthodox Christianity through the idea that, well, this is a Russian state associated, for example, ideology, which is completely false and insane considering. Yeah, but just sort of your thoughts about that, the royal family also getting actively involved in this sort of campaign, it's very concerning.

Yeah, well, it's because it's not just the princes. It's also King Charles in his speech when he was in the United States a couple of weeks ago. The whole of his speech was an outrageous breach of Britain's unwritten constitution. The last king who insisted on having political opinions would cut his head off. Charles, by the way. Charles I and the whole of the settlement of a constitutional monarch is that the monarch himself has no right to any political opinion whatsoever. They may not express a political opinion. and there was Charles speaking absolutely for war on Russia on behalf of Ukraine. It's utterly scandalous. And he goes back, there is unfortunately this deep-rooted Russophobia in the British political elite. and the Great Game when Britain had India and Russia was pushing at the back door in Afghanistan and so on. So it goes back a very, very long way. It's reinforced again by the degree of which the Eastern European banking class which came over and was heavily involved in British politics from Victorian days was virulently anti-Russian to the point that David Cameron our former Prime Minister well he's got a Scottish name and he's largely of you know wasp upper class origin two of his separate Jewish great grandfathers funded on a massive scale the uh Japanese war against Russia, which led to the so-called revolution in 1905.

So Cameron, when he was there as one of them, along with his close friend Boris Johnson, rooting for the continuation of this ghastly Slavic brothers warring the Ukraine, Cameron is absolutely in keeping with his ancestral heritage, whether it's the Jewish side who funded attempt to destroy the Tsar, or whether it's the upper-class English side, the Anglo side, who were against Russia from 1850. Well, basically, Russia helped to save our bacon in 1815 against Napoleon, just as it saved our bacon in different ways in the First and the Second World War. And the thanks that the British elite give Russia is nothing but hostility and hatred. It's a truly wicked thing. And it's really rather strange because We should be good friends. If anything, you've seen two world wars, we were on the same side. That's for a very basic geopolitical reason, that there was this big German lump in the middle, which rightly or wrongly, and I'm not taking any sides on this, in the First or the Second World War, it was perceived as a threat to us, and Russia was perceived as an ally.

And that would always remain the case. Our economies Britain would benefit more from having a mutually useful economic relationship with Russia than being in the same economic bed as Germany, which is just a giant competitor. So it's very, very sad. I think it'll go on for a long time. And you're quite right, Dimitri, when you say that this is something which is increasing. One of the worst out of everything that's happening in Britain, I see everything politically moving in the right direction in terms of people's opinion, apart from on the Russian issue. where there's such a high proportion of these daft old boomers who actually are pretty good on everything else, but on Russia, they're away with the fairies. Oh, the Russians, they're still reds. You can't trust a Russian. They're basically still communists. We've got to fight them and stand up for the right wing. It's poisonous, crazy stuff.

It's a real tragedy because even looking at the last days of the Tsar and of the Romanovs, they thought the Brits might be willing to save them. They thought that their brothers, they thought that their fellow monarchist Christian European friends would Nick Griffin Terrorists that were supported in the Russian Revolution. Those were the same anti-Zarist Zionist terrorists that moved to Palestine and did the terrorism against the British, against everybody there to help establish them. Yeah, yeah. 1917 and 18. I'm curious, what's your perspective on, of course, everyone knows the Balfour Declaration and all of this, but you mentioned the Bank of England and these banksters. You seem to also be aware of the connection between the Bolshevists and then the early Zionist settlers. Where was the UK? Where were the British patriots in the midst of all of this? Have they just been completely disempowered in the midst of the wars and the decline of the empire?

The first modern wave of nationalistic anti-immigration feeling in Britain was against East European Jewish immigration in the 1890s, 1910s, and so on. And it was really a very, very strong thing. in the end of course it was overwhelmed those people came in and they had a very major effect on British politics so then you look at I did a piece on Substack some little while ago I re-studied it actually because I felt it was important about how one of Jacob Schiff who financed the Russian Revolution. But also, of course, interestingly, financed the operation to poison Christianity in America with Christian Zionism through the Schofield Bible. And how Jabodinsky, the founder of the revisionist Zionism, which is now taken forward by Likud, started off his career going to Constantinople and becoming a leading ideologue of the young Turks who were not Turkish at all, who carried out the mass massacres of Christians in the former Ottoman Empire.

So there's a great deal to be aware of, and there's an awful lot of things that people study. They'll find things which, well, they're probably not Supposed to Know. But the only thing I would say on that, although I write about this influence of this ultra dangerous Jewish supremacism and hatred of Christianity, it is wrong for people to get fixated on this. Because like I say, I went to university with, and I go back to boxing reunions and so on each year, and I meet men who are absolute, you know, Apparently Decent Sensible Sound Patriotic Wasps In Effect And They're Hysterically Anti-Russian These Are Men Who Were In The British Army And They Represent The Way The British Army Thinks They're Just Blindly And Hysterically Anti-Russian And You Mentioned Comrade The Extent To Which Britain Is A Major Player In The Confrontation With Russia I'd say it's possibly even more than that, because just as in Syria, the poison gas hoax, that came from the White Helmets, that came from MI6, that came from British intelligence.

And similarly, a lot of the most outrageous, the Bukha massacre, alleged, and so on, the worst and most dangerous of the anti-Russian propaganda, which is used to push America towards war actually comes out of Britain in the first place. It's very convenient for the Brits to think, oh, our government just tags along and does whatever the Americans say. It's actually worse than that. We actually have a serious influence pushing America to be an even worse force in the world than it otherwise would be. And it's not just David Cameron's Jewish great-grandfathers. It also is impeccably... White Anglo-Saxon Protestant or even ancient Catholic ancestors. This is a problem the English upper class has regardless of the Jewish element.

No, no, that's incredibly poignant. And yes, it does show that sort of ideological, I mean, this is the mind warping enlightenment ideology that has, I think, just impacted all European, all white people across Europe, be it from the Russians to the of course the French are probably the first unfortunate victims of this and so forth and so on and even across the Atlantic obviously American brothers but I suppose a poignant question Mr. Griffin would be related to one of the most mysterious places on the British Isles. Some place which many would describe as like the Wall Street, the heart of English capital, mercantile English capital going back to even back 400, 500 years to the glorious so-called glorious English Revolution. And when Britain really began to pick up Yeah, yeah. and then the second successful Russian Revolution and obviously financed the First World War and the Napoleonic Wars and so forth and so on.

But specifically, there are direct families and names tied to a lot of these power structures and, so to speak, influences coming from the city of London. And I suppose the question would be... Do the Rothschild family as well as some of these other family descendants of you know these wealthy some of them Sephardic of origin some Ashkenazi from different sort of places around the world for example Marcus Samuel right the former owner of Shell like these are do these influential folks from the city of London do you believe as someone who is a British national who's been around probably people of influence your entire life or at least for a good portion of your life where would you see these sort of people do they actually still have Covert influence over social doings, or is it very much still hidden away from public view? Or do you believe, for example, power has left these families and they've sort of done their deed in the past in the 19th and 20th century, and now power has more or less I mean this is a very I suppose theoretical question because a lot of what we're speaking about isn't necessarily written in the official biography so maybe you can comment on that and what should we be aware of in relation to specifically Lord Nathan Rothschild him being a member of the House of Lords and a public figure I suppose

I think that overall, power has become a lot more based on corporations. The amounts of money are so staggering, the complexity is so enormous. I think there is now more a corporate elite. And if you look, for instance, at the people involved, so there's a higher visibility on people involved in the World Economic Forum. World Economic Forum, viewers will know the people really behind the COVID horrors and lockdown, et cetera, et cetera, and the idea of net zero. In the end, it's a Rockefeller front. It grew out of the campaigns for limits to growth and things like this in the 1960s, and primarily the people involved there. Well, Rockefellers, there are some who say, oh, the Rockefellers is another Jewish family. I've looked and looked as far as I can see Fundamentally, they were Southern Baptists and simple snake oil salesmen who struck lucky. I may be wrong on that, but certainly you look at the people running the World Economic Forum, and you've got Yuval Harari, who's Israeli homosexual, but lots of the others there's Brits there's people with Irish names there's lots of Far Easterners there's some Hindu Indians all they have in common in the end is that their clique is the all important thing to them they're there to worship mammon rather than anything else and at a certain point it doesn't matter what religion or non-religion these people have the thing they serve is fundamentally evil The idea of a serious financial system is fundamentally evil, makes not a blind bit of difference who's responsible for it.

Having said which, clearly the Ross Charles banking dynasty has had an obvious influence. Why would that have diminished? So some individuals in the family, there was one of them who went off and spent their life collecting butterflies. Yeah, unless you're a butterfly and they're going to poison you in a jar and stick a pin in you. It's entirely harmless. But others were involved, this selection of clans were involved in the opium wars on China, which were one of the most appalling things ever done. by human beings against other human beings, over whom one day the Chinese may well take their revenge at a long, cold distance. Who knows? So all these people are monsters. You ask specifically about the city of London. I try not to go to London. It pains me to go to the city I was born in, and not even the accent among young people is the same. It's been transformed. I'm a foreigner in the city I was born in.

on a massive scale. So I try not to go there. But if you walk through the actual city in London part, then it's pretty unenriched. The only dark people scurrying around, they're emptying the bins or they're going to serve the coffees. And for the rest, it's a selection of different accents there's obvious Jews there's South African emigres there's German financiers wondering about there's upper class Brits with these cut glass upper class accents that tell you exactly where they went to school and all the rest of it and it was always before the city of London and British imperialism went out and looted the rest of the world They Robbed and Looted Our Country From Us First Of All The Same In Many Other European Countries The Theft Of The Commons The Folklands Where One Third Of The Land Of Not Just People Still Think About It As Ireland And Scotland And So On One Third Of All The Land Of Britain Was Simply Stolen From The Ordinary People Of Britain By The Elite And Lots The Church Of England Is Now Whining And Wailing And Talking About Having Reparations Or Its Role In Slavery The amount of money the Church of England and its people made out of slavery is dwarfed by the amount that they made out of being involved in the theft of our common land.

So they're literally from us, first of all. My position in the end is that for my people to get our country back, It's never going to happen, actually. We've got so many different foreigners here. We cannot force them out by force of arms. The place would be a smoking wilderness at the end of it, and we wouldn't win in any case. No one wins a civil war. The only way we get our Britain back for our people is for all the people who come here also to get their country back. because all their countries have been, again, it's very convenient for British nationalists to say, it's all the Yanks, it's all the Americans' fault. They bombed all these countries flat and ruined them. No, our imperialism went into those countries in the first place and robbed them blind. and deliberately set and encouraged radical Islam, Wahhabi Islam, in places like Cyprus, places like India. We encouraged it deliberately in order to divide the natives.

So we smashed up and looted their countries, and now especially the American wing of this Anglo-American Zionist monstrosity goes in and wrecks these countries. And then we wonder, why are we flooded with refugees? People fleeing wars that our elite helped to create, fleeing economic problems which our elite helped to create, and fleeing above all else an international banking system which is a vampire on humanity. And in the end, breaking the power of the city of London and Wall Street and of global capitalism is the thing that has to happen before the peoples of the world can go a little bit freer than they are now.

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